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Posted 29 July 2010 - 06:22 PM

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Mike Grimm, a G.O.P challenger for Mike McMahon's Congressional seat, took in over $200,000 in his last filing.

But in an effort to show that Grimm lacks support among voters in the district, which covers Staten Island and parts of Brooklyn, the McMahon campaign compiled a list of Jewish donors to Grimm and provided it to The Politicker.

The file, labeled "Grimm Jewish Money Q2," for the second quarter fundraising period, shows a list of over 80 names, a half-dozen of which in fact do hail from Staten Island, and a handful of others that list Brooklyn as home.


http://www.observer....ng-jewish-money

Now if he had simply listed rich people out of district who gave money, that'd be a non-issue. But the fact that he called it "Grimm Jewish Money" is all sorts of wrong.

Besides the moral problems-the politics of this is all sorts of messed up. The words political suicide keep crossing my mind.

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 06:40 PM

Wow! I'll definitely put this on my radar.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 10:58 PM

All I can say is :wtf: Seriously? I guess I just don't get why it matters whether the money is "Jewish" or not, unless you're a racist douchecanoe or trying to pander to the segment of the population who is. Is he suggesting that Jewish community members of Staten Island aren't real somehow?
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 12:04 AM

Wow. That's pretty offensive. It's quite racist. Shame. Shame.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 04:17 AM

Yeah, that's pretty bad. I can see breaking down contributions by ethnicity or religion internally just to get a feel for where you are compared to your opponent in fundraising (e.g., Cindy's raising more money than I am among the 18-35 Catholic male demographic), but to somehow equate religion with location and to throw that at your opponent like being Jewish were some kind of moral failure ... that's really offensive.

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 05:03 AM

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All I can say is :wtf: Seriously? I guess I just don't get why it matters whether the money is "Jewish" or not, unless you're a racist douchecanoe or trying to pander to the segment of the population who is. Is he suggesting that Jewish community members of Staten Island aren't real somehow?

lol....douchecanoe.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 09:41 AM

BTW look over the article-you'll note one letter conspicuously missing from it.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:40 AM

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

BTW look over the article-you'll note one letter conspicuously missing from it.


Ok, seriously Seldon, if he is the "GOP challenger" to the incumbent, it seems patently obvious that the incumbent is a Democrat. If you're trying to cry about media bias, forgive me if I call BS on that one.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 11:05 AM

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View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

BTW look over the article-you'll note one letter conspicuously missing from it.


Ok, seriously Seldon, if he is the "GOP challenger" to the incumbent, it seems patently obvious that the incumbent is a Democrat. If you're trying to cry about media bias, forgive me if I call BS on that one.


Can you think of one good reason why McMahon's party isn't mentioned?
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 11:58 AM

McMahon is an obvious anti-semite. Period. There is no other good reason for him to label certain contributions as "Jewish money". He is implying that somehow the money is different and is tainted and comes from nefarious sources. He is a scumbag of the worst kind and I hope that he gets his ass kicked in the election.



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Posted 30 July 2010 - 12:43 PM

View PostWiseguy, on 30 July 2010 - 12:58 PM, said:

McMahon is an obvious anti-semite. Period. There is no other good reason for him to label certain contributions as "Jewish money". He is implying that somehow the money is different and is tainted and comes from nefarious sources. He is a scumbag of the worst kind and I hope that he gets his ass kicked in the election.


That or he is running the kind of campaign where he employs idiots.

Update btw:


http://www.cbsnews.c...205-503544.html

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A Democratic representative from New York has fired his campaign spokesperson after she gave a newspaper a list of what she called "Jewish money" going to his Republican opponent.




In an effort to show that Republican challenger Mike Grimm has received most of his financial support from donors outside of New York's 13th district, Democratic Rep. Mike McMahon's re-election campaign gave the New York Observer a list of more than 80 Jewish donors to Grimm.




The list was entitled "Grimm Jewish Money Q2."




At least half a dozen of the donors on the list live on Staten Island, which is part of the 13th district.







I really h ave to wonder what the heck is going on in that campaign that the comm director thought this was a good idea.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 01:27 PM

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 11:05 AM, said:

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View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

BTW look over the article-you'll note one letter conspicuously missing from it.


Ok, seriously Seldon, if he is the "GOP challenger" to the incumbent, it seems patently obvious that the incumbent is a Democrat. If you're trying to cry about media bias, forgive me if I call BS on that one.


Can you think of one good reason why McMahon's party isn't mentioned?


Maybe because the author of the article seems to assume that the readers are familiar with the incumbent for this district. Stands to reason they would know that he's a Democrat. I also don't see the word Republican appearing in the article.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 01:38 PM

View PostSesara, on 30 July 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 11:05 AM, said:

View PostSesara, on 30 July 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

BTW look over the article-you'll note one letter conspicuously missing from it.


Ok, seriously Seldon, if he is the "GOP challenger" to the incumbent, it seems patently obvious that the incumbent is a Democrat. If you're trying to cry about media bias, forgive me if I call BS on that one.


Can you think of one good reason why McMahon's party isn't mentioned?


Maybe because the author of the article seems to assume that the readers are familiar with the incumbent for this district. Stands to reason they would know that he's a Democrat. I also don't see the word Republican appearing in the article.



It also stands to reason they'd know his first name is Mike and that he represents part of staten island and brooklynn. Yet the author includes that.

And yes they do mention Grimm being republican. In fact I did a double take after posting this because I read over the article again and it almost sounded like the one who circulated list was a primary competitor of Grimm's (the article mentions who they also had lists of another primary competitor of Grimm's but it focused on them being out of district).




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Posted 30 July 2010 - 05:37 PM

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 01:38 PM, said:

View PostSesara, on 30 July 2010 - 02:27 PM, said:

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 11:05 AM, said:

View PostSesara, on 30 July 2010 - 11:40 AM, said:

View PostTheravenseldon, on 30 July 2010 - 09:41 AM, said:

BTW look over the article-you'll note one letter conspicuously missing from it.


Ok, seriously Seldon, if he is the "GOP challenger" to the incumbent, it seems patently obvious that the incumbent is a Democrat. If you're trying to cry about media bias, forgive me if I call BS on that one.


Can you think of one good reason why McMahon's party isn't mentioned?


Maybe because the author of the article seems to assume that the readers are familiar with the incumbent for this district. Stands to reason they would know that he's a Democrat. I also don't see the word Republican appearing in the article.



It also stands to reason they'd know his first name is Mike and that he represents part of staten island and brooklynn. Yet the author includes that.

And yes they do mention Grimm being republican. In fact I did a double take after posting this because I read over the article again and it almost sounded like the one who circulated list was a primary competitor of Grimm's (the article mentions who they also had lists of another primary competitor of Grimm's but it focused on them being out of district).


Sorry, Seldon, but the word "republican" appears nowhere but in the comments section. GOP is the only mention of party at all, when they state that Grimm is the "GOP challenger" to the incumbent. And it seemed quite clear to me that the incumbent was the one circulating the list.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 06:51 PM

I'm glad McMahon fired Nelson and issued and solid apology for the offensive statement she made. For now, I am willing to let the incident pass as long as no more anti-Jewish comments are heard from the McMahon camp.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 08:55 PM

View PostWiseguy, on 30 July 2010 - 11:58 AM, said:

There is no other good reason for him to label certain contributions as "Jewish money".


Well the other reason could be that he was SPEAKING to anti-Semites, and didn't care about the consequences other than he may think it would help him in this particular election.

In otherwords, he's not an anti-Semite personally, but that he has such little integrity, he's willing to sell out to anti-Semites.

I know that seems like a stretch, but I believe that kind of person exists.
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:37 AM

Now of course raven isn't saying that the media doesn't care about anti-semitism when it comes from the left/democrats. He's only excreting that brainfart in the least discrete way possible.

However, what about the republican party itself (rather than some rogue candidate) using neo-nazis to get out the vote for George H.W. Bush? Here's what Jewish professor Chomsky had to say:

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There's this part of the Bush campaign called the "Ethnic Outreach Committee," which tries to organize ethnic minorities; obviously that doesn't mean blacks or Hispanics, it means Ukrainians, Poles, that sort of business. And it turned out that it was being run by a bunch of East European Nazis, Ukrainian Nazis, hysterical anti-Semites, Romanians who came out of the Iron Guard, and so on. Well, finally this got exposed; some of the people were reshuffled, some were put into other positions in the Republican Party-but it all just passed over very quietly. The Democrats never even raised the issue during the election campaign.

You might ask, why? How come the Democrats never even raised the issue? Well, I think there was a very good reason for that: I think the Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League basically called them off. The point is, these organizations don't ultimately care about anti-Semitism, what they care about is opposition to the policies of Israel-in fact, opposition to their own hawkish version of the policies of Israel. They're Israeli government lobbies, essentially, and they understood that these Nazis in the Bush campaign were quite pro-Israel, so what do they care? The New Republic, which is sort of an organ for these groups, had a very interesting editorial on it. It was about anti-Semitism, and it referred to the fact that this committee was being run by anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, Nazis and so on, and then it said: yes, that's all true, but this is just "antique and anemic" anti-Semitism. Nazism is just "antique and anemic" anti-Semitism, not terribly important, we shouldn't get too upset about it. And then it said: the real anti-Semitism that we ought to be worried about is in the Democratic Party, which is filled with "Jew-haters"-that was the phrase they used. And part of the proof is, the Democrats were actually willing to debate a resolution calling for Palestinian self-determination at their National Convention, so therefore they're "Jew-haters" and that's the "real" antiSemitism in America. (That was in fact the title of a book by the Director of the A.D.L., Nathan Perlmutter.)Well, the Democrats got the message that they weren't going to win any points with this, so they never raised a peep about it.

And here are the sources:

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On the Nazis in the 1988 Bush campaign, see for example, Russell C. Bellant, "Will Bush Purge Nazi Collaborators in the G.O.P.?," Op-Ed, New York Times, November 19, 1988, section 1, p. 27 (reporting that seven of the neo-Nazis and anti-Semites were discharged from the Bush campaign after the revelations, but four of them retained leadership positions in the Heritage Groups Council, the "Ethnic Outreach" arm of the Republican National Committee); John B. Judis, "Bush's teflon on anti-Semitic links," In These Times, September 28-October 4, 1988, pp. 6-7 (reviewing the "curiously blasé" reactions of the leading Jewish organizations "about both the revelations and Bush's response to them"); David Corn, "G.O.P. Anti-Semites," Nation, October 24, 1988, p. 369; Charles R. Allen, "The Real Nazis Behind Every Bush," Village Voice, November 1, 1988, p. 24; Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting, "The G.O.P.-Nazi Connection," Extra!, September/October 1988, p. 5 (on the media's minimization of the episode).

See also, Martin A. Lee and Norman Solomon, Unreliable Sources: A Guide to Detecting Bias in News Media, New York: Lyle Stuart, 1990. An excerpt (p. 161):

An exception [to the media's downplaying of the story] was the Philadelphia Inquirer, which featured a series of investigative pieces documenting the Nazi link. A front-page lead story detailed the sordid past of men like Florian Galdau, the national chairman of Romanians for Bush, who defended convicted war criminal Valerian Trifa; Radi Slavoff, co-chairman of Bulgarians for Bush, who arranged a 1983 event in Washington that honored Austin App, author of several texts denying the existence of the Nazi Holocaust; Phillip Guarino, chairman of the Italian-American National Republican Federation, who belonged to a neofascist masonic lodge implicated in terrorist attacks in Italy and Latin America; and Bohdan Fedorak, vice chairman of Ukrainians for Bush, who was also a leader of a Nazi collaborationist organization involved in anti-Polish and anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.

For the New Republic's editorial, see Editorial, "Anti-Semitism, Left and Right," New Republic, October 3, 1988, p. 9. An excerpt:

[There is a] comfortable haven for Jew-hatred on the left, including the left wing of the Democratic Party, [parts of the Jesse Jackson campaign, and] the ranks of increasingly well-organized Arab activists. . . .

Salient anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism with a program. One tenet of that program is the delegitimization of the Jewish national movement -- about the only national movement these people don't seem to thrill to. Another tenet -- sometimes disguised, sometimes not -- is that a just society would not have individuals from any group underrepresented or overrepresented in its positions of prestige and influence. This attack on talent was the central doctrine of the politics of resentment for which civilization (and the Jews) have already paid dearly. It's strange how some Democrats so alert to rather antique and anemic forms of anti-Semitism among the Republicans, haven't noticed far more virulent forms in their own contemporary habitat.

For the book by Anti-Defamation League's former National Director, see Nathan Perlmutter and Ruth Ann Perlmutter, The Real Anti-Semitism In America, New York: Arbor House, 1982. For discussion of the Perlmutters' thesis, see Noam Chomsky, Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians, Boston: South End, 1983 (updated edition 1999), pp. 14-16.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:07 AM

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Now of course raven isn't saying that the media doesn't care about anti-semitism when it comes from the left/democrats. He's only excreting that brainfart in the least discrete way possible.



Actually didn't say that at all. Rather I said they (or the article I saw first-later articles were more explicit) obscured the party of the person who did it. I wasn't being discreet-I was being direct.
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:45 AM

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Now of course raven isn't saying that the media doesn't care about anti-semitism when it comes from the left/democrats. He's only excreting that brainfart in the least discrete way possible.



Actually didn't say that at all. Rather I said they (or the article I saw first-later articles were more explicit) obscured the party of the person who did it. I wasn't being discreet-I was being direct.

Read again... I start a sentence with "Now of course raven isn't saying..." and you respond with "Actually I didn't say that." How does that even fall under the definition of the back-and-forth exchange of ideas we call "debate"? It's closer to free association. Anyway, I didn't say you said that. I said it was the subtext of what you were saying, i.e. that by getting into a hissy fit over the fact that they didn't use the word "democrat" you were implying that the media doesn't care about anti-semitism from the left/democrats.

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 10:38 AM

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Now of course raven isn't saying that the media doesn't care about anti-semitism when it comes from the left/democrats. He's only excreting that brainfart in the least discrete way possible.


Actually didn't say that at all. Rather I said they (or the article I saw first-later articles were more explicit) obscured the party of the person who did it. I wasn't being discreet-I was being direct.

Read again... I start a sentence with "Now of course raven isn't saying..." and you respond with "Actually I didn't say that." How does that even fall under the definition of the back-and-forth exchange of ideas we call "debate"? It's closer to free association. Anyway, I didn't say you said that. I said it was the subtext of what you were saying, i.e. that by getting into a hissy fit over the fact that they didn't use the word "democrat" you were implying that the media doesn't care about anti-semitism from the left/democrats.


Yes and if you read my response you would see that's not what I'm saying. If that was the case they wouldn't have reported the story-it would have been easy to bury.
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